I've added some personal comments at the bottom of this [after the ATC transcript.]
Also -- just added an email from Capt. Bud, a highly experienced international 747 driver and instructor re. serious stall and upset recovery in transport aircraft. It's at the bottom after my comments.
This analysis assumes:Overall, thorough and useful analysis must go beyond making a simple conclusion and ask – if that is so, why did it happen? For example – it seems apparent at this point that icing had a role in the crash – but that doesn’t tell us anything unless we ask, "Ok – if so, why didn’t other aircraft crash from the icing? Why did the crew not successfully manage the icing?"
As taught in CRM training, airline crashes are almost always caused by a chain or combination of causes, none of which by itself would have led to a fatal outcome. Therefore, we always ask, “What was the chain of factors [human, organizational, and physical] which led to the crash?” instead of seeking a single cause.
The pilot’s primary job is a
viate, navigate, communicate [in that order!]. That means command decision – assertiveness, if you will – is #1. CRM [Cockpit / Crew Resource Management Training] -- basically assertiveness training for airline pilots -- is arguably the most important training they get. [After all, pilots already know how to fly.] CRM emphasizes that accidents are invariably caused by many things going wrong – never just one thing – and the crew’s responsibility is to assert themselves to break this fatal chain.
However, pilot experience, pairing, training, schedules, and assertiveness are controlled by management; if any of these lead to pilot error, the root cause is management error.
Although pilots are taught stalls from the beginning, they are taught mostly stall recognition and recovery. But in the real world a stall close to the ground will become an unrecoverable [flat] spin – and thus stall training should emphasize avoidance over all, since there will be no recovery.Icing in a prop plane with boots is a different animal than in a jet with heated surfaces. The boots only provide time to escape the ice – lingering in it will not lead to a good outcome. The mantra: “go up, go down, turn back, go around!” is the only way to deal with icing classified as more than “light.” Even modern aircraft like the Dash 8 – supposedly certified for flight into known icing should be flown out of it ASAP. Their deicing capability is still certified under regulations dating from the 1940’s. These do not take into account the effects ice have on a high performance wing like that Dash 8’s, which is much less forgiving than older, slower airfoils.
Although we are not in a position to assess the mechanical issues [if any] associated with the accident aircraft, most of the other issues are readily apparent from listening to the conversations between BUF ATC [approach, tower, departure, and ground] and aircraft in the area.
Our transcript of those 30 minutes [excerpted for clarity] with the crucial items highlighted is attached. Our overall analysis, based on the transcript as well as NTSB and media reported facts, follows:
Given the short time since the crash, please understand that
- The transcript is not perfect – we will be refining it over time and updating it as required. However, modifying what we have here to improve accuracy will not change any of the conclusions we have drawn from it so far.
- Many of our points are speculative and may not stand the test of careful examination or further information gathering – rather, they are given to be treated as hypothesis – to be considered as part of the crash investigation and cause determination.
Thus, from the recording of ATC [BUF approach , tower, ground, and departure controls] between 0300 and 0331:50Z on 2/13/2009 [10:00 – 10:31:50 PM EST on 2/12/2009] and other sources we note the following:
Re. Colgan 34071. pilot fatigue / lax cockpit discipline – demonstrated by the f/o’s failure to repeat ATC clearances as given, as well as reporting in with information romeo rather than sierra, which was current at the time.
2. The Dash 8 -- is a boot – equipped jet prop, not a pure jet with heated surfaces. The NTSB reported that de-ice had been turned on 11 minutes after take off. We also understand that the windshield was iced over, making it unlikely the crew saw how much ice they were carrying. [Although the NTSB reported the crew discussed the ice buildup, we assume they did so on the CVR or prior to 10:00; at any rate, they did not mention ice on the recording we reviewed.] On the other hand, if the windshield was iced over, the wings likely had ice as well. And the tail may have had triple whatever the wings had.
Using the autopilot in such circumstances, while neither forbidden nor necessarily hazardous, would reduce the “feel” of the control yoke, further reducing awareness of the ice buildup. We don’t consider autopilot use significant either way; the only true negative to using it is the false sense of security it may give an already over worked and tired crew.
[The crew conversations recorded on the CVR will be vital to determining the level of crew awareness and alertness. Casual [non flight related] conversation is forbidden below 10,000’. We know that that there was another new captain jump seating aboard the aircraft; we don’t know if he was in the cockpit conversing with the pilots or sitting elsewhere, and again we don’t know if whatever conversation ensued enhanced pilot awareness and performance or detracted from it. But we will find out.]
re. ATC:Most important – and hitherto unnoted – When tower clears Delta 1998 – the first arrival after the crash – for the ILS, he tells him not to autoland, and asks him to report any problems with the localizer. Tower says, “It's reading fine up here [in the tower].” Did tower know something? Why else would he be asking, while stating it looks fine to him? Upon landing, Delta 1998 says, “Yes we had a 1 dot deflection either side on the way in.” Yet ATC does not stop approaches to that runway [23] and divert arrivals to another runway or Niagara Falls [IAG] until the localizer is confirmed to be fully functional.Moreover, in response to tower’s query, Delta 1998 reports being in the clouds at 2300’ MSL. This indicates to me that tower may have thought conditions were VFR at 2300 over Klump [as they may have been earlier] and thus vectored Colgan 3407 in close to the marker because he thought 3407 would see the runway from there or at least have visual ground contact in that area. Let’s note that tower vectored the flights following 3407 to intercept the localizer farther out – at Trava, the fix preceding Klump – a much more appropriate intercept point for aircraft conducting an ILS in IMC in icing conditions at night.
Not directly pertinent to Colgan 3407 , but still indicating less than optimal ATC performance:ATC didn't call responders until 5 minutes after they had asked Colgan 3407 to contact Buffalo tower and Colgan 3407 failed to do so. Admittedly, this may be a non issue; ATC cannot declare an emergency every time an arrival is slow to make a frequency change. Moreover, it’s doubtful that any lives could have been saved even if had responders been present immediately.
But ILS 23 approaches were resumed 5 MINUTES after the call for responders – using the same ILS [23], the same marker, and same altitude [2300] as the lost aircraft was last reported at. ATC assumed it had crashed -- but they had no way to know at that point. We can only wonder if ATC considered diverting arrivals to IAG -- 15 miles away with a 10,000' runway -- or at least switching approaches and landings to another ILS at BUF like the ILS 32 [wind 260@10].
Re.: Other aircraft in the areaATC began soliciting reports concerning rime icing only after 3407 had crashed – only then did Cactus 1452 report “½ inch– make that ¼ – and has been building for 10 minutes.” The 10 PM weather radar shows heavy precipitation off the lake. Given the surface temperature of around 38 F, icing potential was a no-brainer – OAT decreases 3.5 F for every 1000’ rise in altitude; therefore, at 2300’ MSL [about 1650 AGL over Klump, the OM / FAF – where the aircraft went down] – the OAT was likely right at 32 F – meaning icing until descending for approach and landing. Cactus 1452’s report confirms this. Therefore, once again, icing should not have been unexpected by Colgan 3407's crew or a surprise to ATC. Meanwhile ATC’s response to Cactus 1452’s icing pirep [pilot report] is "hold on". While a jet powered aircraft like Cactus 1452 with heated surfaces likely can, a prop booted aircraft like Colgan 3407 may not be able to.
Thus, we have developed the following scenario as our best guess as to how this accident unfolded. Remember – an accident like this is almost never caused by only a few things going wrong.
1. Crew fatigue and /or lax cockpit discipline – most apparent in the “fuzzy” tone of the F/O’s voice and her failure to read back ATC clearances verbatim like the other crews were doing. [Also, compare to the transmissions from the crew of the next Colgan Q400 arriving from EWR about 30 minutes later [on the next recording, beginning at 10:30 p.m. local time / 0330 Z. The “fuzzy” assessment is subjective, and can only be appraised by listening to the transmissions, not reading them. But the lack of readback discipline is not. Moreover, the tone of the radio transmissions may have been a result of ice on the antenna; but if so, that’s information also. In any case, the partial / missed readbacks point most immediately to crew fatigue.
We know that EWR had had delays all day due to strong winds; this flight had departed 2 hours late – meaning the crew had probably been on duty 13 hours or more. We understand that a typical duty day for a Colgan pilot includes flying 7 legs. Assuming 1 hour / leg flying, .5 hour / leg turn around, and 1 hour / day check in time, a 7 leg day would be at least an 11.5 hour duty day. [7 + 3.5 = 1 = 11.5] Such duty is not illegal, but certainly unwise – especially when operational delays extend it to 14 hours.
2. The captain’s lack of assertiveness [shown by his toleration of the f/o’s partial readbacks; compare her transmissions with those of the other aircraft in the area, as well as the next Colgan Q400 from EWR] may have led to flying in ice for over an hour without informing ATC and / or obtaining an exit, altitude change, rerouting, or return to EWR. [Again, note how the JetLink crew on the 10:30 pm local recording handles a potential icing problem.] The captain has been described by other Colgan personnel as “really nice.” Was he too nice for what he had to do? He also does not seem to have considered a low pass over the airport to remove ice prior to an ILS or just diverting to another airport with better weather and / or a longer runway, enabling higher approach speed or delayed flap / landing gear extensions. [As I mentioned, IAG meets these criteria and is only 15 mi. from BUF.] Admittedly, most of these alternatives are overkill and were not necessary; however, they should always be in the crew’s contingency planning arsenal. An altitude change or expedited handling, as Northwest 920 obtained, likely would have done the trick; if not, a low pass would have cost about 5 minutes and broken the dangerous–occurance–chain.
Being night, it’s possible the crew failed to see the ice buildup. Possibly they didn't look. Possibly they assumed the deicing boots were taking care of it. Again, a captain flying in the these conditions must exercise appropriate command authority and have acquired a healthy respect for and awareness of what ice can do – from training and experience. An appropriate and simple action in this situation would have been to ask the first officer or jumpseating captain to view the wing and tail surfaces [if possible] from a cabin window to better assess the icing situation. Without the CVR transcript, we cannot say that the captain failed to do this; however, given his lack of assertiveness in other areas, we would be surprised if he had done so. For if he had, he may well have more actively considered the options listed above, as well as other alternatives. [
Note added on 2/22 -- this may not have been possible given that the Q400 is a high wing aircraft, and the wing surface cannot view viewed from the cabin.] But from the transcript and other information, the crew does not seem to have had any awareness of the seriousness of their situation; if they had, they would have acted more appropriately.
Finally, the crew’s lack of assertiveness meant – minimally – failing to ask ATC to vector them for a longer final approach – possibly beginning at Trava. This would have allowed for a much gentler turn [and bank] to intercept and line up with the localizer inbound.
Given the tight turn required by ATC’s vectors close to Klump, the crew may have reduced power and airspeed to slow down to tighten the turn onto final. Thus, power available to heat the props and engine intakes also was reduced. Finally, tightening the turn to capture the localizer may have enticed the crew to increase bank and / or kick the aircraft around with the rudder, putting the aircraft ever closer to an accelerated stall. This is the same scenario most pilots see demonstrated somewhere in their first 10 hours of flight instruction. Unfortunately, they often don’t get to see the resulting spin that ensues [at a safe altitude]. And they can’t experience these events at 1650’ AGL more than once.
Finally – the icing on the cake. What if – as Colgan 3407 is turning in sharply to get lined up -- the localizer starts swinging from side to side, making a coupled [autopilot] approach impossible and possibly eliciting even more bank from the crew or autopilot [if still on]. Admittedly, this is speculation. But it is based on clear reports of erroneous localizer readings, as I discussed. Why else would ATC be asking the next flight in about the localizer? Obviously, an inaccurate localizer added to everything else reported would almost guarantee a crash. And even if this hypothesis does not prove to be true, there was more than enough going wrong to lead to an accelerated stall.
In any case, almost to the end, the crew had options. But given fatigue, over scheduling, and pressure to complete an already delayed flight – as well as the expectation that they would break out and shed the ice any second now -- [Been there / done that!], they didn’t opt for a missed approach and retry ice-free from Trava. A diversion for deicing and / or boot inspection to IAG or ROC was also an option. But given the way Colgan Air seems to be pressuring and scheduling their crews – well documented at www.airlinepilotforums.com – we can fully understand the crew’s fatigue and lack of command authority [assertiveness]. Ultimately, then, this accident’s root cause is system [management] induced which led to crew fatigue and lack of command authority. This in turn resulted in an accelerated stall / spin occurrence when turning to final with ice remaining on control surfaces.
Was there asymmetric boot inflation or inadequate / insufficient / ineffective boot operation? There is no way to know this as yet, especially outside the NTSB. But these problems by themselves – properly detected and compensated for – would not have resulted in 50 lives lost. A tail stall? Maybe – in almost 18 years and over 5000 hours of flying I never heard of such a thing. I also never had a serious icing problem – because I never let icing become a problem by staying in it for very long. Nor did I ever have an unintentional stall / spin -- probably because a sadistic CFI scared me to death of them around my third hour of training. [Thank you, thank you!]
In the end, what kind of stall 3407 experienced is immaterial – – it likely was a combination of tail stall and accelerated stall, aggravated and enhanced by ice contamination.. In any case, no stall / spin 1600’ AGL IFR at night with ice is recoverable. We do know that just prior to extending landing gear, 3407‘s ASI was reading 134 K – perilously low for that point in the flying regime. We also know that the ASI’s final reading was about 100 K – meaning the aircraft was stalled. No matter what kind of stall it was, the aircraft was falling, not flying – and likely spinning – when it impacted.
So the bottom line:From the latest data the NTSB has reported re. the readouts from the FDR, as well as the aircraft’s configuration based on reports from the crash site –
- pointing 180 degrees from its intended heading
- neither deep nose burial into the ground nor more than 10’ of forward motion upon impact,
- airspeed readings of 100 K,
we have to state the boring, not very exciting conclusion:
Due to all the above and possibly aggravated by unreported localizer fluctuations, immediately prior to the crash, the aircraft entered an accelerated stall perhaps combined with a tail stall.Did the crew’s attempt to recover by overriding the nose lowering mechanism and adding power aggravate or ameliorate the situation? I don’t believe we’ll ever know, nor does it matter. By then the situation was unredeemable, and an unrecoverable fatal flat spin was inevitable.
The
root causes of this tragic chain of events, then, were management errors, specifically:
- overscheduling crews
- and inadequately training and encouraging the crews to assert themselves as necessary and make command decisions required to ensure safety.
DRAFT TRANSCRIPT OF BUFFALO ATC 2/12/2009 10:00 PM - 10:31:30 PM ESTNot every aircraft is included – mostly just Colgan 3407 [C], Delta 1998 [D], United 246 [U], Cactus 1452 [AW], and Northwest 920 [NW] for illustrative purposes.
THIS IS A DRAFT AND WILL BE PROOFED / REVISED AS TIME ALLOWS PLS. LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND ANYTHING IN ERROR OR INCOMPLETE..
ATC: = RADIO TRANSMISSION FROM ATC – BUFFALO APPROACH, TOWER, GROUND, OR DEPARTURE
TIMES = APPROXIMATE MINUTES : SECONDS AFTER 10 PM EST.
3:50
C: BUFFALO APPROACH COLGAN 3407 12 FOR 11 THOUSAND WITH ROMEO
ATC: COLGAN 3407 BUFFALO APPROACH GOOD EVENING BUFFALO ALTIMETER 2980 PLAN ILS APPROACH RUNWAY 23
C: 2980 AND – AH – ILS 23 COLGAN 3407
4:19
ATC: K – UNITED 246 DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 2 THOUSAND 300
U: DOWN TO 2 THOUSAND 300 UNITED 246
4:38
ATC: COLGAN 3407 PROCEED DIRECT TRAVA
C: [OK – GARBLED]
ATC: UNITED 246 DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 2 THOUSAND 300
U: UNITED 246
4:50
ATC: DELTA 1998 – AH – DESCEND PILOT’S DISCRETION MAINTAIN 6 THOUSAND
D: PILOT’S DISCRETION TO 6 THOUSAND DELTA 1998
4:58
ATC: COLGAN 3407 DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 6 THOUSAND
C: [GARBLED] –07
ATC: UNITED 246 TURN RIGHT HEADING 160
U: RIGHT TURN HEADING 160 UNITED 246
6:30
ATC: UNITED 246 TURN RIGHT HEADING 180
U: 180 UNITED 246
6:50
ATC: UNITED 246 YOU’RE 4 FROM KLUMP TURN RIGHT HEADING 210 MAINTAIN 2 THOUSAND 300 TILL ESTABLISHED LOCALIZER CLEARED ILS APPROACH RUNWAY 23
U: 210 ON THE HEADING 2,300 TILL ESTABLISHED CLEARED ILS RUNWAY 23 UNITED 246
7:55
ATC: UNITED 246 CONTACT TOWER 120.5 HAVE A GOOD NIGHT
U: [CLICK]
8:20
U: BUFFALO TOWER UNITED AH 246 – ILS RUNWAY 23
ATC: UNITED 246 BUFFALO TOWER RUNWAY 23 WIND 260 AT 12 – CLEARED TO LAND
U: CLEARED TO LAND RUNWAY 23 UNITED 246
8:39
ATC: COLGAN 3407 DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 5 THOUSAND
C: 5 THOUSAND COLGAN 3407
9:09
ATC: COLGAN 3407 DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 4000
C: [CLICK]
ATC: DELTA 1998 DESCEND PILOTS DISCRETION MAINTAIN 3 THOUSAND
D: WE’RE. GONNA DO A PRACTICE AUTOLAND OUT OF THIS.
ATC: ROGER
ATC: HEY DELTA 1998 – LET ME JUST AMEND THAT FLIGHT LEVEL [??] – DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 4 THOUSAND
D: ALRIGHT – DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 4 THOUSAND DELTA 1998
ATC: DELTA 1998 TURN RIGHT HEADING 050 [??]
AW: EVENING APPROACH CACTUS 1452 IS WITH YOU WITH ROMEO AT ONE ONE THOU
12:14
ATC: CACTUS 1452 BUFFALO APP GOOD EVENING BUFFALO ALT IS 2980 PROCEED DIRECT
ATC: COLGAN 3407 DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 2 THOUSAND 3 HUNDRED
C: [GARBLED] –- ZERO 7
12:39
ATC: COLGAN 3407 TURN LEFT HEADING 33 ZERO
C: LEFT HEADING 33 ZERO – COLGAN 3407
14:04
15:00
ATC: DELTA 1998 DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 2 THOU 3 HUNDRED
D: 2 THOU 3 HUNDRED DELTA 1998
ATC: CACTUS 1452 DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 4 THOU
AW: CACTUS 1452
ATC: COLGAN 3407 TURN LEFT HEADING 310
C: LEFT HEADING 310 COLGAN 34 ZERO 7
15:08
ATC: [GARBLED] 3407 3 MILES FROM KLUMP TURN LEFT HEADING 260 MAINTAIN 2 THOUSAND 300 TILL ESTABLISHED LOCALIZER – CLEARED ILS APPROACH RUNWAY 23
C: [???? HEADING 2?] SIXTY, 2 THOUSAND 300 TILL ESTABLISHED CLEARED ILS APPROACH RUNWAY 23 34 ZERO 7 [?]
16:02
ATC: COLGAN 3407 CONTACT TOWER 120.5 HAVE A GOOD NIGHT
C: [GARBLED] – THIRTY 4 ZERO 7
17:01
ATC: COLGAN 3407 APPROACH?
ATC: DELTA 1998 VECTORS GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THE LOCALIZER FOR SEQUENCING
D: DELTA 1998 – THANKS
17:22
ATC: COLGAN 3407 BUFFALO
ATC: COLGAN 34 OH 7 – AH – APPROACH?
17:33
ATC: DELTA 1998 – AH – LOOK OUT YOUR RIGHT SIDE ABOUT 5 MILES – FOR A DASH 8 SHOULD BE ABOUT 2300 DO YOU SEE ANYTHING THERE?
D: AH NEGATIVE DELTA 1998 WE’RE JUST IN THE BOTTOMS AND NOTHING ON THE T-CAS
ATC: COLGAN 34 ZERO 7 BUFFALO
[BLOCKED ] APPROACH
ATC: NORTHWEST 920 RADAR CONTACT MAINTAIN 5000
NW: MAINTAIN 5000 AH IF WE COULD WE’D LIKE TO REQUEST A CONTINUOUS CLIMB UP TO 8000 FOR ICE
ATC: NORTHWEST 920 AH CONTINUE TO CLIMB -- CLIMB AND MAINTAIN 8000
NW: UP TO 8000 I’D LIKE TO PUT 1 ZERO THOUSAND OFF AS A FINAL THEN
ATC: NORTHWEST 920 CLIMB AND MAINTAIN 1 ZERO THOUSAND
NW: 1 ZERO THOUSAND NORTHWEST 920 THANKS
ATC: DELTA 1998 TURN LEFT HEADING 360
D: LEFT HEADING 360 DELTA 1998 YOU WANT US TO CLIMB AT ALL?
ATC: BE RIGHT BACK TO YOU SIR
D: OK DELTA 1998 WANT US TO MAINTAIN 2 THOUSAND 3 HUNDRED THEN?
ATC: DELTA 1998 AFFIRMATIVE – DELTA 1998 YOU HAVE VFR CONDITIONS THERE?
D: NEGATIVE WE’RE IMC
ATC: ROGER
20:12
ATC: COLGAN 3407 BUFFALO TOWER HOW DO YOU HEAR?
ATC: F10 ARE YOU ON FREQUENCY?
ATC: THIS IS GROUND YOU NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE AT LEAST 5 MILES NORTHEAST, OK POSSIBLY CLARENCE, THAT AREA RIGHT THERE, AKRON AREA, EITHER STATE POLICE OR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, I NEED TO FIND IF ANYTHING'S ON THE GROUND. THIS AIRCRAFT WAS 5 MILES OUT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE NO RESPONSE FROM THAT AIRCRAFT
ATC: ALL I CAN TELL IS THERE [WAS] AN AIRCRAFT OVER THE MARKER AND WE’RE NOT TALKING TO HIM NOW
21:04
ATC: DELTA 1998 YOU HAVE ANY ICING WHERE YOU’RE AT?
D: AH WELL WE PICKED IT UP ON THE WAY DOWN I DON’T THINK WE’RE BUILDING ANY MORE HERE BUT FROM ABOUT 6500 DOWN TO ABOUT 3500 MAYBE?
ATC: OK THANK YOU SIR
ATC: DELTA 1998 THERE'S GONNA BE A DELAY I’M GONNA BRING YOU BACK AROUND EXPECT TO HOLD OVER KLUMP
D: ALL RIGHT SO WE’LL HOLD OVER KLUMP DELTA 1998
ATC: DELTA 1998 CLIMB AND MAINTAIN 4 THOUSAND TURN LEFT HEADING 270
D: CLIMB AND MAINTAIN 4000 LEFT TURN 270 DELTA 1998
ATC: [GARBLED] – I’LL HAVE TO GET RIGHT BACK TO YOU APPARENTLY WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND I’LL GET BACK TO YOU AS SOON AS I CAN...
ATC: DELTA 1998 AH TURN LEFT HEADING 260 INTERCEPT THE LOCALIZER AND AH YOU CAN MAINTAIN YOUR PRESENT ALTITUDE JUST MAINTAIN 3000 FOR NOW AND I’LL HAVE YOUR APPROACH CLEARANCE FOR YOU WHEN YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER
D: ALL RIGHT MAINTAIN 3000 GOING TO THE LOCALIZER 23 DELTA 1998
ATC: CACTUS 1452 I WILL BE .... BRINGING YOU BACK AROUND HERE SHORTLY I WILL HAVE APPROACH CLEARANCE FOR YOU IN A WHILE
AW: AH ALL RIGHT WE’RE. PICKING UP RIME ICE HERE FOR A WHILE
ATC: DELTA 1998 YOU CAN DESCEND AT YOUR DISCRETION MAINTAIN 2 THOUSAND 3 HUNDRED
D: OUR DISCRETION 2 THOUSAND 3 HUNDRED DELTA 1998
ATC: CACTUS 1452 TURN RIGHT HEADING 140
AW: CACTUS 1452
23:57
ATC: K – ALL AIRCRAFT THIS FREQUENCY WE DID HAVE A DASH 8 OVER THE MARKER THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE AIRPORT AH HE APPEARS TO BE ABOUT 5 MILES AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT – DELTA 1998 – I’M GONNA BRING YOU IN SIR ON THE APPROACH – AH – IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE ME A PIREP WHEN YOU GET TO 2300 AND IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE LOCALIZER OR ANYTHING LET ME KNOW HOWEVER WE’RE SHOWING IT ALL IN THE GREEN HERE
D: WILLCO
24:45
ATC: DELTA 1998 6 MILES FROM KLUMP MAINTAIN 2,300 TILL ESTABLISHED ON THE LOCALIZER CLEARED FOR THE ILS RUNWAY 23
D: ILS 23 AND WE'RE STILL IN THE IMC HERE AT 2300 DELTA 1998
ATC: DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF ICING OR ANYTHING THERE?
D: AH IT DOESN’T APPEAR TO BE BUILDING AH AND WE GOT ABOUT HALF – QUARTER INCH – FROM THE DESCENT – HAS REMAINED WITH US THE WHOLE TIME
ATC: THANK YOU
ATC: CACTUS 1452 TURN RIGHT HEADING 220 TO INTERCEPT THE LOCALIZER
AW: CACTUS 1542 RIGHT TURN INTERCEPT THE LOCALIZER AND WE’VE BEEN PICKING UP RIME ICE HERE OH FOR THE LAST – OH – 10 MINUTES
ATC: OK STAND BY ON THE RIME ICE REPORT
AW: [?] BACK – AS SOON AS YOU CAN SIR
ATC: WHO WAS THAT?
AW: 52 SIR AH WE’RE.– BEEN GETTING ICE AH EVER SINCE AH 20 MILES SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT –
ATC: CACTUS 1452 OK AND IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU GET OUT OF THE ICING – AND AH AIRCRAFT COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH WAS REPORTING THAT EARLIER –
25:25
ATC: DELTA 1998 IF YOU COULD JUST DISREGARD THE AUTOLAND SIR CONTACT TOWER 120.5 AND LET THEM KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY VARIATION IN THE LOCALIZER OR ANYTHING
D: OK WE’LL DO IT DELTA 1998
27:05
ATC: ???? ...ANY KIND OF INFORMATION YOU CAN GET, WE'D APPRECIATE IT
27:12
AW: ??? SIR, RIGHT NOW, 2300 SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR HERE
28:05
ATC: CACTUS 14 52, THANKS FOR YOUR HELP, WE APPRECIATE IT, CONTACT TOWER 130.5
28:12
AW: ..5 FOR CACTUS - DID YOU FIND COLGAN?
28:14
ATC: UHHHH! UNFORTUNATELY THEY SAID HE WENT DOWN RIGHT OVER THE MARKER KLUMP
29:17
AW: TOWER, CACTUS 14 52 IS COMING UP ON THE MARKER, WE SAW THE GROUND, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON?
29:24
ATC: CACTUS 14 52, BUFFALO TOWER 120.5 RUNWAY 23, YOU ARE CLEARED TO LAND, YES SIR, WE ARE AWARE
29:29
AW: K
AW: CACTUS 1452 AND THE ICE IS STARTING TO COME OFF THE WINDSCREEN NOW
ATC: DELTA 1998 IF ABLE LEFT NEXT TAXIWAY TAXI TO THE RAMP THIS FREQUENCY VIA ALPHA ALPHA ONE
D: ALPHA ALPHA ONE AND WE HAD A LITTLE DEFLECTION AT ABOUT 1 THOUSAND 500 FEET
ATC: YOU SAY IT WAS AT 1 THOUSAND 500 FEET?
D: AFFIRMATIVE AH IT WENT ABOUT 1 DOT’S DEFLECTION LEFT AND RIGHT
ATC: ALL RIGHT THANK YOU
ATC: 1452 CLEARED TO LAND PREVIOUS ARRIVING MD 88 REPORTED DEFLECTION IN THE LOCALIZER AT 1500 FEET PLUS OR MINUS 1 DOTS DEFLECTION
AW: K – COPY CONTROL CACTUS 1452
D: YES IT WAS AH ABOUT A 1 DOT’S REFLECTIONS EITHER WAY
--end of transcript--
TO MY FELLOW PILOTS:
For what it’s worth...
1. I'm not in the press or media. I am not a lawyer [nor do I play one on TV.]
2. I have extensive experience as a pro pilot - ATP-ME with all flt and ground instructor ratings, more than 5000 hrs [don't even know how many, really - lost count] - started in the J-3 cub - finished in the B727 - flew for regional airlines in new england [one nasty to us pilots, just like Colgan] and all over for Eastern Airlines. Scratched an a/c once, but never a person - and the a/c was immediately flyable [incident, not accident]. No I don't fly prof. any more, and I have no apologies. These days I prefer sailing, to some extent because it resembles flying, but it's cool in the summer and most of all - if I want to push the limits and mess up, the worst that can happen is I get wet.
3. I was born and bred here in Buffalo - and I'm probably one of the few people in the world who's returned after 30 yrs. [love those air conditioned summers, Canada, and all the lakes!] I did have the opportunity to get up close and personal the other day while they were removing the bodies from Colgan 3407 [don't ask], and while it was not fun, there was nowhere else I wanted to be. And I gasped when they called to tell me a personal and professional colleague had been on that flight.
4. Re. Buffalo - don't come up here if you don't have an out. IAG is about 13 N.M. from BUF ['bout 5 minutes] - with a longer runway. You can land either way if necessary or just fly a low pass. I flew several yrs. in N.E. between EWB, BOS, ACK, MVY, and HYA. Basically it was the airline portrayed in the TV show Wings, except Wings must have been shot in California, given that in Wings the skies were always sunny and for us we had fog or icing more often than not. Also on Wings they show the hero spending most of his time in the coffee shop at ACK - it was a nice coffee shop, 'cept my sked usually was around 20 trips in 12 hours, usually in the fog down to minimums by myself [single pilot auto pilot] - not leaving any coffee shop time cept to drain my tank while they filled the a/c's and get more java to steel me for the next ILS to mins. – especially fun at BOS where ATC was always telling you to keep the speed up [usually above V-le] so the heavy iron behind you wouldn't run you down and ATC wouldn't make you go 'roun'. Something about that horn blaring all the way down the g/s made the pax nervous - never did know why!
This operation gave out cards to the pax saying "landing uncertain" if you can believe - so yes I landed as scheduled more than not - but never if I didn't feel good about it - and I was never questioned for my decisions.
Re. Buffalo? Read my lips: BUFFALO! This is where CNN comes when they need shots of a blizzard on a sunny day in the rest of the US. Ever hear the term LAKE EFFECT? If not, stay away! Lake effect means total snow one minute, clear the next - deal with it! Used to be - even in the jet era, BUF closed for a week or so every winter, and all flights here went in and out of ROC - the airlines truly became bus companies! [One of the commuters I flew for in N.E, made more $ when they bussed folks to JFK than when we flew them. Really!] That doesn't happen much now, but I'm sure any Buffalonian worth the name would rather drive or bus to IAG or ROC every winter than get pulled out of the mud in Clarence. Death is never pretty.
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We don't need pilots to merely program the autopilot - drone technology has been well developed, and if that's all "pilots" can do, I say replace them and let ATC fly the plane.
What we do need is pilots who can make decisions - the right decisions! If you don't always have a plan B, you can't make the right decision. If you're not prepared to divert, you won't! [I remember when we used to say IFR means "I follow roads" and "If you have time to spare, go by air."] The value of a high time airline driver like Sully is not aeronautical skill but rather decision making ability and credibility with management. Can you imagine management daring to question a 20,000 hour pilot like Sully? On the other hand, can you imagine what management would have said to Captain Renslow if he had diverted or returned to EWR?
Captain DT
THIS IS FROM AN EMAIL A BUD SENT TO ME -- USED TO FLY WITH HIM -- HE'S A FORMER NAVY FIGHTER JOCK, THEN 727 CAPTAIN HERE [WHERE WE FLEW TOGETHER], THEN 747 CAPTAIN ALL OVER THE WORLD -- FOR SOME OF THE BIGGEST FOREIGN CARRIERS.
ENJOY.....
DT:
Judging what I have heard so far, you are right on.
I think 2 turns with ice and a slowing airspeed on each turn as well as the autopilot reaching a limit and clicking off.
Pitch down, one wing stalled and no acro on instruments with people who never trained that way. Engines screaming and it does not take long to hit a house going almost vertical. Most planes wipe out a few houses, not just one!
Every instrument check in the air force has unusual attitude recovery's, which means once a year in the simulator and also in the airplane. Also, the military teaches instrument acrobatics all through your training in all aircraft you fly.
There were 2 ATR crashes in 94 or 95 that I believe were the result of icing where the crew could not recover from an unusual attitude and went in inverted. In 1996 I was a Check airman with --, and all airlines began training unusual attitude recovery for airliners. I was doing all the "upset" training in the 747 simulator, and gave a very gentle profile, and of course never inverted. 90 percent of the Captains, who were all military trained, and many of them by the US military, were incapable or recovering from an unusual attitude. They crashed! It took the full 2 hours to get them to be able to recover the aircraft. The usual comments leveled at me were "you tricked me". Never more than 20 degrees nose up or down and a max of 30 degrees of bank! They would get the recovery so screwed up that every one resulted with a nose low banked turn with the engines at 75 percent until the simulator said "Crash override" and stopped itself before it collapsed the jacks. Every body got trained that year but not very well after that. I am sure that most airlines do not train very well or often in unusual attitude recovery in spite of numerous accidents.
After the JFK Jr. crash I was on a DL jump seat returning to ATL. The Captain gave me a written report of just what he went through. Just reading it was terrifying, as the airplane wound up, and he must have been barfing before he hit the water, not to mention his wife and her sister. The report said that in giving the same circumstances to a group of pilots with even more experience than JFK Jr., they all crashed in much the same way.
It really is a matter of experience and training to be able to handle an unusual attitude. A Delta L-1011 out of LAX got to 135 degrees of bank. The Captain had lost some hydraulic systems, and he rudder rolled it right side up and lived to tell about it. Former military training paid off, for no one at the time was practicing that then. EAL duplicated the problem in L-1011 training that year so everyone would see the problem. But here again it was a one time thing and no further training required.
God forbid an overcorrection on a TCAS maneuver. Hang on and enjoy a real 6 flags ride, assuming you survive it.
Unfortunately, with GPS, great airplanes, and wonderful autopilots, and the total discouragement of hand flying the aircraft, the skill set to actually fly the airplane is being lost. I always hand flew most approaches, unless the airport was down to minimums. I also encouraged F/O's to do the same. My reasoning was that the auto pilot had just flown and proved itself for the last 2, 4, 8, or 15.5 hours but we only were observers and we needed to practice hands on ourselves.
-AL lost 2 Airbus 300-600 aircraft, one in --- and 4 years later in ----. Both accidents were almost identical. VP of flight asked me what I would do.
I told him ground the A300-600 fleet and run all the pilots through the simulator and then the aircraft duplicating that accident. The -AL pilots were going around blaming Airbus for a lousy airplane. To be sure it is. However you do not need to crash it! His concern was they did not have enough airbuses to make up for training losses. I told him to send the Captains to Toulouse, and the French could teach them a proper missed approach in that airplane. Needless to say, it never happened, except the simulator part which did not convince any of their pilots that the airplane would do just what the simulator did.
Captain Bud
THANKS BUD -- I THINK YOU'VE SAID IT ALL!
DT